Has anyone here used wheel balancing compound before? 

"4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30" (4muddyfeet) 04/06/2016 at 16:04 • Filed to: Snakeoil

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I’ve been recommended it by my tyre shop (I trust them implicitly) for the Land Rover Wolf wheels and 285/75 tyres due to their PITA nature of taking a whole box set of wheel weights to balance. It’s primarily for LGV and trucks, but I wondered if anyone has any first hand experience?

A quick excerpt from a manufacturers website:

“When the vehicle is stationary, EASYBALANCE lies at the bottom of the tyre. Then as the vehicle reaches 25 to 30 km/h, centrifugal forces start to distribute it around the inside of the tyre (at lower speeds the tyre unbalance does not cause any vibration as it is not rotating fast enough). If there is any unbalance, the EASYBALANCE itself re-distributes to counteract against it. If the imbalance point changes, the distribution of EASYBALANCE changes too.”

bob and john > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:06

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I have the same idea on my bike.

works great IMO

Party-vi > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:07

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My dad uses DynaBeads on his motorcycles and Silverado (33x10.5 R17) with no issues.

HammerheadFistpunch > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:11

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The Cruiser forums are lousey with pros and cons of these types of systems which (btw) are pretty much just airsoft pellets...or they would function about the same. Some people love it, some people say that don’t really work. Most people generally agree that its worth a shot to try

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > HammerheadFistpunch 04/06/2016 at 16:13

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Apparently the stuff my shop uses is powder-like(?), I dunno, but if it's worth a shot I'll take a shot..

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > bob and john 04/06/2016 at 16:16

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Nice to know it works on a machine with some sort of finesse, should work on my rickety LR quite nicely.

NotA5.0 > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:19

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I worked in a shop for a trucking company in high school. We would throw a couple of golf balls inside the tire for balancing. I never saw any issues from it, although once in a while you would find a golf ball had broken apart the next time you changed the tire, granted those see a lot more mileage than any off-road tire.

AuthiCooper1300 > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:21

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Sorry to hijack, but you’ve got a Wolf?

Damn, I am impressed. And slightly envious.

What is the going rate for a Wolf in basically sound (not excellent) condition, if you don’t mind my asking? Thanks.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:25

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Mine being on soft leaf springs and extra-tall narrow bias plies, I haven’t the foggiest idea if they’re balanced or not, anymore. Too much bounce, sway, tire roar, and treadpatch distortion to have any idea.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > AuthiCooper1300 04/06/2016 at 16:35

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A good condition 90 (good chassis and bulkhead, straight body) can be bought from the MOD for around £15k, and the 110s are rarer but less desirable so maybe around £13k.

Mine is a funny old beast. Not quite a Wolf, but with most of the parts from a Wolf - direct from the MOD. All I know is it’s a REME 110 panel back which has: a Wolf chassis, Wolf 300tdi and R380 gearbox, Wolf suspension and wheels, Salisbury axles, armoured fuel tank, FFR mounts and a middle seat gun rack. What it doesn’t have is the side air intake pods synonymous with the Wolf Land Rovers (although the pipework is still behind the blank plates), split slide side windows, side mounted spare wheel (mine is on the bonnet), and the side storage lockers. As I said, odd.

iSureWilll > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:36

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I have a friend who used these on his GSXR1000. Should be fine on a bike. I don’t know why other places don’t use them TBH.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 04/06/2016 at 16:38

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Not sure I’d bother with Series vehicles, with a Salisbury mine only manages 50! Did you fit those parabolics eventually? Interested to know if they’re showing any sag.

The Stig's former college room mate > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:39

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works good. used it on a jeep i had with 33" tires that wouldn’t ever seem to balance right. I added up the weights on each wheel and ordered enough bags to equal the weights. put the bags in the tires and took it for a ride. shook like crazy until the bags broke open, then all off a sudden, perfectly smooth. but since i did that 15 years ago, i’ve discovered road force balancing and match mounting and haven’t needed it since.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > The Stig's former college room mate 04/06/2016 at 16:40

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Talk to me about road force balancing and match mounting.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:42

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We’ve got the parabolics on the 109 chassis, but we’ve not got the axles back together yet, nor wheels on the axles, nor any Rover on the chassis... I’ve got enough to do in the shop on my own things I haven’t felt inclined to put it together - it’s my brother’s ride, so he can do it himself. The gear carriers we’ve got are ten-spline Rangey units, so they’re a bit taller ratio than the originals.

AuthiCooper1300 > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:46

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Ouch. I did not expect them to be so dear. Have they gone up in price lately?

Sounds as if you have a motor pool special, having been serviced with parts that fitted but were not quite the ones supposed to. Which turned out to your advantage in the end. I suppose 24V, as proper Wolves, and two alternators? I mean, if it’s got an FFR mount...

Congratulations, it looks fantastic.

Thanks for your reply.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 04/06/2016 at 16:46

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Gosh it must be a speed demon! Mine’s going in next week for the galvy and suspension, then it’s rebuild time. Just sorted out a compressor today in anticipation, so you’ll be happy to know I can now BBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTDTDTDTD.

The Stig's former college room mate > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:49

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There are tire balancers that have a drum that pushes against the tire while it’s spinning to simulate the weight of the car pushing the tire into the road. tires aren’t round while you’re driving- we all know they flatten on the bottom. irregularities in how much force it takes to deform the tire can cause vibrations that won’t balance out. these machines can tell the difference between a bad tire, a bad rim, and also calculate the heavy spot in a tire and the light spot in the rim so the two can be aligned to minimize the amount of weight needed to balance the assembly (match mounting). You won’t find machines like that at walmart. They’re standard fare at most dealerships, and some better tire shops have them.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:50

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This 109 will be up a good number of horsepower mostly through revs (3.0L Mercedes turbodiesel) and has 3.5 axles instead of 4.2 or some such, so it will likely be capable of a comfortable 75-80. Not that I’d advise it really, but capable.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > AuthiCooper1300 04/06/2016 at 16:55

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Now 12v with one alternator as I have trailers to pull :) my dashboard lights are INCREDIBLY dim because I still haven’t replaced the bulbs, but yes, motor pool special it is. I bought mine two years ago for £9k, and back then the Wolf 90s were going for £11k in good condition, £13k in excellent condition. I can only assume the ‘death of an icon’ has driven demand up, likewise with the used market, some of the prices people want for not-particularly-well maintained Defenders are getting silly high.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > The Stig's former college room mate 04/06/2016 at 16:57

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Our shop has one and t does a really nice job. We balance our 35" KM2 on 15" rims easy.

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 16:58

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Match mounting is moving the tire around the rim to minimize the amount of imbalance present in the first place(matching the “high” spots of the rim to the “low” spots of the tire). Road force balancing is putting the tire under load while it is balanced in order to ensure it is balanced to the same conditions it will experience on the vehicle, not just a freely-rotating un-loaded tire.

http://www.tirerack.com/winter/tech/te…

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/te…

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > The Stig's former college room mate 04/06/2016 at 17:02

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Haha mine obviously isn’t a ‘better’ tyre shop, but I like the lads there and they look after me. Interesting to know what’s out there though, might ask around.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 04/06/2016 at 17:11

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MFW my topless windscreenless 109 does 80

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > AuthiCooper1300 04/06/2016 at 17:13

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In fact now I actually think on it, it’s all Wolf apart from the body. Not sure why that's never occured to me.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 17:22

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Because we’re quite mad, I’ve undertaken to chop his rear doors. Roofless five-door.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 04/06/2016 at 17:26

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I forgot your (his) 109 is a 5dr. Aren't the rear doors in half like the front doors? As in you can unbolt the window frame just leaving the lower door in line with the body.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 17:29

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Yep. Or rather, they will be once I break out the cutting wheel and welder and add two tubes, a threaded socket, and a box to each door. Fairly elementary work, and I’ve already got two custom pieces of door trim resized from front spares and regalvanized. Similar for the rearmost door if he goes without a gate, but requires the add of some cross-bracing and putting in an extra hinge.

AuthiCooper1300 > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 17:31

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Maybe it was involved in some sort of attack/collision/damage that demanded changing just the exterior panels? I mean, fitting Wolf parts is one thing, but chassis+axles+gearbox+engine+24V electrics..?

Never thought before that having two alternators meant some much drag on the engine!

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 04/06/2016 at 17:33

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Fairly elementary work - with the appropriate time, knowledge and ability.

I have none of these.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > AuthiCooper1300 04/06/2016 at 17:40

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It’s not the draw on the engine, it’s the fact that the trailer electrics are all 12v and none of them have NATO fittings. I took the two 50A 24v units off and replaced them with one 12v 120A unit and a new battery.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 17:43

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Basically, the front Series doors have a top “box” in them and a lower box made of two folded pieces stuck together - with a set of threads welded into the top one and a sleeve welded through the bottom. Riveted over the top of the bottom box and the top of the lower door skin is a galvy trim piece. The rear 109 doors have the upper box already in place, so it’s mostly just cutting the (one piece) skin, hemming the part on the upper half of the door, and welding in the new box into the lower half. The making of the box is the hardest part, since one needs access to a brake.

I expect it to be about a 2/3-1 day’s work, if I’m not also repairing the doors, which I probably will be.

AuthiCooper1300 > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 17:53

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Oh I see, sorry for the confusion.

Good luck with your LR, it looks great.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > AuthiCooper1300 04/06/2016 at 17:54

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No worries, thanks.

The Compromiser > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 04/06/2016 at 21:04

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A lot of riders put them in their bike tyres. I have no personal experience with them, but hear good things.